Sir John Monash Podcast Transcript
John Monash is renowned for many things, but perhaps he is most well-known for his role in World War I. He led a brigade at Gallipoli and was the only Australian brigade commander from the original troops who was not killed or evacuated. He is also remembered for his brilliant command of the Australian Army Corps in France. And when he returned from the war, he was one of the organisers of this tradition we now know as ANZAC day. According to my calculations, Monash was almost 50 by the time that WWI started, so there was a whole lot more to him than just this part he played in The Great War.
For starters he was incredibly intelligent and a brilliant scholar. The man had more university degrees than you can poke a stick at. He started with a Bachelor of Arts, then a Masters in Science- Civil Engineering. But he didn’t stop there, he also became a Doctor of Law from both Melbourne and Cambridge Universities, a Doctor of Engineering, and a Doctor of Civil Law. Then he lectured at the University of Melbourne before becoming the vice-chancellor. He was quoted of saying about education, “equip yourself for life, not solely for your own benefit but for the benefit of the whole community.”
But he was not just an academic, he became one of Australia’s leading experts in reinforced concrete for bridges, railways and other large construction projects. Must have been that Master’s degree and Doctorate in Engineering. Oh, and I don’t think I even mentioned that he was knighted.
You know what my favourite thing about him was, even with all of these degrees, expertise and war accolades, he still had time to volunteer in the community. And you know what his favourite organisation was. The Boy Scouts.
But let’s go back a bit and learn a little about his childhood. John Monash was born in West Melbourne in, you guessed it the 1860s. 1865 to be exact. His German Polish parents were of the Jewish faith, and he remained a practicing Jew for his entire life and took an active part in Jewish affairs.
His parents’ names were Louis and Bertha. I only mention this because I kind of love the name Bertha and he later called his daughter Bertha after his mother. Then his daughter Bertha would name her son John after him. Cute.
Anyway, back to the story. When he was 9, in 1874, his parents moved to Jerilderie to manage the General Store. If you are thinking that the name Jerilderie sounds familiar, it is because the infamous bush ranger Ned Kelly held up the bank of Jerilderie, in 1879. But don’t worry, Monash had moved back to Melbourne by then. But there is a weird connection to Ned Kelly, but I tell you that in a minute.
Monash went the local Jerilderie school and the Schoolmaster, one William Elliott recognised his intellectual brilliance and insisted to his parents that he go to Melbourne to complete his education. He moved with his mum back to Melbourne and went to Scotch College. It was from Scotch College that he graduated at the age of 16 and became the dux of the school. The word dux just means that he was the number one student in the entire grade.
So, here is the spooky connection to the bushranger Ned Kelly. Remember our school master William Elliott? When Ned Kelly robbed the bank, he took William Elliott as a hostage and was forced to hold the bag whilst Ned Kelly loaded it with loot.
But back to our Boy Scout enthusiast John Monash. He himself was not a scout as a boy, simply because the organisation did not exist yet. The Boy Scouts did not begin in Australia until 1908, and Monash was involved in the organisation from fairly early on. In 1911, he agreed to be the chairman of the Victorian Boy Scouts movement because there was a lot of in fighting in the organisation. As a result of this, Monash ends up becoming the Vice President of the Imperial Boy Scouts. It is said that the Boy Scouts reminded him of his time in Jerilderie as a young boy. At this stage of his life, he had already been a part of the University company’s battalion in the Victorian Rifles and quickly rose to become sergeant. He saw the Boy Scouts as preliminary training for boys to join the military.
Even when he had just returned from World War I, in 1920, he continued to be involved in the organisation. At a ball that commemorated the first ever metropolitan troop of the Victorian Boy Scouts, Monash not only attended the ball, but took on the role of ushering guests to their seats. He was a famous knighted war hero at this stage. And the paper even mentions that 2 lucky scouts managed to get the autograph of both Monash and his daughter Bertha.
A few years later, in 1923 he became the official head of the 1st Barwon troop of Boy Scouts and was elected the Vice President of the Australia Association of Boy Scouts. In 1924, when giving a speech to a group of Boy Scouts, he reiterated the connection between being a boy scout and being in the military. He was quoted as saying, “an analysis of the Australian
Expeditionary Force showed clearly that very many of the best officers were recruited from Scout ranks, and that on any difficult undertaking, requiring skill and initiative, preference was always given to the man with the scout training.” The newspaper also praised him for braving the January heat to make this speech.
In 1926, he again took part in a ceremony to present 300 boy scouts with their colours. He again made a speech that echoed his sentiments from 2 years earlier. He stated that during the Great War, whenever a volunteer was required for hazardous or responsible work, one of the first questions asked of the volunteers was whether he had any scout training.”
He continued to be involved with the scouts for the rest of his life, attending events and even handing out trophies at the Scouts’ Boxing and Wrestling Championships in Victoria.
General Sir John Monash died of coronary vascular disease or heart disease in 1931, but after his passing, there is a group of Jewish Boy Scouts that pops up called the Monash Troop and even the female equivalent, the Brownies had a Jewish troop called the Monash Troop. These Monash Troops crop up every now and then in the newspapers throughout the 1930s and 40s usually taking part in a commemorative service for World War I. In 1939, just at the onset of World War II, when Hitler was persecuting people in Germany and Poland just for being Jewish, one of the Monash Troops had recruited three refugees. Presumably Jewish refugees from Germany or Poland.
The most recent mention that I could find of the Monash Troop of Scouts was in 1970, where the newspaper mentioned that they were trying to raise money for the Monash Troop. Aside from that, Google came up blank. I am not sure if the Monash Troop still exist in the Scouts, but if you know. Be sure to email me at [email protected] and let me know.
This is Kelly Chase on the case.
Learn to Sing like Dame Nellie Melba
I first heard about Dame Nellie Melba through my love of crackers and dip. You see, when I was growing up in the 80s, there were these crunchy little crackers that looked like a tiny piece of bread. I discovered that they were called Melba toast, after the famous prima donna Dame Nellie Melba. Now the word prima donna has 2 meanings. You might associate it with someone who thinks that they are talented and has a temperamental personality. But the other meaning, the one that Nellie Melba fits into, means the female lead singer in an opera.
You would never guess, but Nellie Melba was born in the 1860s. Because this is the last of the All Cashed Up season let me remind you of the other stars of the money who were born on the 1860s. From the $10, both Banjo Patterson and Mary Gilmore, from the $50 Edith Cowan, and both John Monash and Dame Nellie Melba from the $100. Nellie was actually born in Melbourne in the same year as Edith Cowan, 1861. And Nellie Melba was not her name. Her name was originally Helen Porter Mitchell, but when she moved to Europe to complete some operatic training, she adopted the stage name Nellie Melba- the Melba part was a tribute to the city of Melbourne where she was born.
There are so many interesting things about Nellie Melba’s life, there is her troubled marriage to a chap named Charles Nesbitt Frederick Armstrong who was a trained boxer and often became domestically violent towards Nellie, there was her public affair with Prince Philippe, Duke of Orléans and the fact that her husband challenged him to a duel.
Her concerts would attract between 4000 and 10000 people, also that
She was also into the women’s suffrage movement and was an avid supporter of conscription and did fundraising concerts for WWI. She was also the first Australian to feature on the cover of Time Magazine. She sang the national anthem at the opening of Parliament House in Canberra in 1925. A shout out to all the people at the now Museum of Australian Democracy.
The thing that always comes up when people talk about Nellie is her incredible vocal range. Almost 3 octaves. Now if you don’t know what an octave is, it is a series of 8 notes in a scale. For example: from here… to here…
Nellie full singing range was from B flat below middle C (here) to F two octaves up (here).
In my research for this episode, I found a book that Nellie Melba wrote in the 1920s it was called “The Melba Method”. (You can access the book here.) She released the book while she was on her farewell tour of England, which was quite a savvy business move. I am not sure which farewell tour; you see she had so many farewell concerts that her name became the butt of the joke. They would say, “More farewell concerts than Nellie Melba.” This book that she wrote was a guide on how you too could sing opera like Dame Nellie Melba. The book actually caused a little bit of controversy amongst singing teachers of the world who disagreed with a) her method and b) that you could learn from a book. And I kind of agree with the people in the B camp, because I found a copy of the book and tried to learn from it, and it did not go well.
You see my original thought for this episode was to live by her book for two weeks, following her advice and completing all of the exercises and see if I could cut it as an opera singer. But I came across a few problems and one of them being – and don’t tell anyone- that I don’t really enjoy singing operatically.
But maybe you do, so what follows is some of the advice that Dame Nellie Melba imparted in the Melba Method.
Oh, and I forgot to mention that she has a section called “Notes for the teacher or accompanist.” For the record, I do not have a personal opera coach nor my own personal piano player, and my own piano skills are very rudimentary, so when I actually tried to read the sheet music and play the piano accompaniments, let’s just say that it was not ideal.
Anyway, one of her first pieces of advice is, “In order to sing well, it is necessary to sing easily.” That seems like excellent advice, to which I whole heartedly agree but, ummm, how does one sing easily Nellie?
She mentions how often musicians and singers make it look easy and makes the point that we should sing without unnecessary muscular action. And this next little quote is gold, “Everyone is self-conscious instead of being conscious of self. The former is fatal to success. The latter is entirely necessary.” So basically, stop caring what others think send your attention to yourself. She then discusses the role of fear and how that makes you stiffen your muscles. So to sing like Nellie you need to be self-aware, and let go of your fear to avoid any muscle tension.
Her advice on diet is as follows, “Food should be plain and nourishing, every type of rich food and sweet should be avoided.” That is excellent advice and when I saw an Ear Nose and Throat surgeon when I was having trouble with my voice, he told me the exact thing and gave me a list of foods to avoid. These things included chocolate, coffee, spicy foods, acidic foods, garlic, onions, fatty foods and tomatoes. The only problem is that sweet, rich foods are kind of delicious. Her other little zinger is “cocktails and cigarettes must not even be in the singer’s vocabulary.” Which again is very is very good advice, and I am sure if she were writing today, she would include vaping on the no go list.
Nellie explains about the importance of having control over your breath. It is not the air in your lungs that causes voice, but the air that is leaving that causes the vocal cords to vibrate.
Her breathing rules are:
- It takes only a little breath to set the chords moving
- The less breath you use the better the tone will be
- And never lift your chest and shoulders, breathing should be done in the diaphragm.
Her next piece of advice is that to sing well you must sing happily and happiness relaxes the muscles and fear clenches them.
In another piece of advice, she wants you to treat the music with respect by analysing the lyrics, enunciating the words and pronouncing words correctly and I quote her here, “so that educated ears may not be irritated.”
Another of her rules is that a singer must be healthy and fit and take regular exercise daily. She specifically says that walking is OK but it is not enough and that you should have a teacher.
She also suggests not relying on others but training your own ears to listen to your mistakes. And that you should not mimic others but find your own voice.
And finally, never practice without concentrating. But don’t force it, be still and quiet focus on the music.
The next section is about stance. You need to have weight evenly distributed on both feet and put your shoulders back. This ideally should be done in front of a mirror.
She also insists that practice be regular and to write up a timetable.
So, if you missed all that, I have distilled it down.
Eat healthy, don’t drink or smoke, keep fit, relax and sing like no-one’s listening, understand the meaning of what you are singing, breath into your diaphragm and practice often.
And in case you are wondering, that singing you can hear in the background. That is me trying to relax and sing opera like no one is listening.
This is Kelly Chase, on the case.
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